Ziptie Dynowerks Reviews STREET FLEX Dampers for Subaru Legacy Outback

You read that right- a Subaru Outback. We actually never fitted our suspension on the Outback variant of any Subaru, Legacy or Impreza. We are aware of the various differences there are, mainly the overall ride height being much higher on these models. However, all suspension pick-up points seem to be the same.

Ryan and George from Ziptie Dynowerks contacted us with a rush request. One of their guys at the shop needed suspension for his Subaru Legacy Outback for a weekend track day event. This was on Wednesday, so we had to get the kit out to them as soon as possible.

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After all was said and done, they decided to put up a nice review on our product! We appreciate getting this from them! Check it out when you have a chance!!!

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Not your average Subaru Legacy!!!

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If you have questions regarding suspension options for a Subaru Legacy Outback, Ziptie Dynowerks are your go-to guys and can give to the rundown of what you need, what will work, and what can work with a little finesse! Give them a call at 801-784-0386 or visit them on the web at www.ziptiedynowerks.com

Year-End Specials on Coilovers!

With 2014 coming to a close, it’s now time for TEIN USA to work on bringing you some new products for 2015, and we’re working hard to get a new line of “Z” coilovers available by Spring of 2015!!!

That means that we have quite a few specials on coilovers, such as our STREET BASIS, STREET ADVANCE, and STREET FLEX coilover lines! Through our authorized dealer network, we’re running a “December Special” for the remainder of 2014. While I cannot disclose how much we’re giving our dealers, I will say that these are some of the deepest discounts we’ve ever offered on new products.

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Now is a great time to purchase the suspension you want while saving some money,,,,,,,, that can go towards Christmas gifts,,,, for friends and family,,,,, I guess!

Contact your nearest authorized TEIN dealer for more information and pricing!

Need help in finding the nearest TEIN dealer in your area? Follow our dealer link to find one!

 

 

Gruppe-S Dampers by TEIN

We are proud to work with Dynamic Autosports on releasing a new suspension offering for the Honda S2000 market. Here is the new Gruppe-S dampers.

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A take on the older TEIN Type RS dampers, the Gruppe-S does without the full-length adjustable damper bodies, like our Super Racing dampers, but still includes 2-way damping adjustment. Speaking of damping adjustment, Dynamic Autosports opted for TEIN’s Advance Needle design, which is slowly finding its way into the TEIN product line (currently being used on the Street Advance, Street Flex, and Mono Sport damper kits). This gives each click a much broader damping change within the same 16 click range most all of our damping adjustable coilovers have.

Monotube construction is built around lightweight steel damper bodies coated in our proprietary ZT coating, giving this set the ultimate in corrosion resistance. Newer spring seat, delrin thrust washer, and seat lock design in combination with the ZT coated threaded damper body offer smooth height adjustment.

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Also included are pillowball upper mounts for front and rear with coaxial upper spring seats. The benefit of this setup is that the suspension will have full articulation throughout the full range of suspension stroke. As the suspension compresses, the angle at which the damper is positioned relative to the mounting point (shock tower and lower control arm) changes, due to the arc of the lower control arm. This takes out any uneven load on the spring, keeping it parallel to the damper body at all times. Also, the spherical ball joint in the mount produces consistent damper performance (no rubber isolators to cause damping hysteresis). In other words the damper is allowed to its job in controlling compression and rebound throughout the complete stroke length.

The Gruppe-S damper kit also includes helper springs. Main springs are sold separately, giving the end-user the option of choosing the spring rate that best suits their needs. Out of the box, the dampers have an ideal spring rate range of 12-14kg, but can also be used for 10kg or 16kg by simply adjusting damping force accordingly.. This makes it an ideal setup for a daily driver with occasional track duty, but still have plenty of flexibility for a full-blown track car. Of course, like all TEIN dampers, we can revalve the coilovers for spring rates beyond this range.

For more details, contact Dynamic Autosports by phone at 949-595-8000 or Gruppe-S at 949-457-1234.

Initial Review: EDFC Active Pro

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When discussing the original EDFC, I sometimes would run into some wishful individuals wishing that a system would have the capability of adjusting itself.  When we released the EDFC Active, our electronic damping system which allows the front and rear dampers to be adjusted automatically based on the vehicle speed and G forces applied.  A lot were impressed and in awe, but still we had individuals who complained that it was still not good enough.  Now with the release of the EDFC Active Pro, no one can say a  word.

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What is a Triple Tube Damper?

As a suspension manufacturer, we’re proud to be able to offer both monotube and twin tube dampers to the market. Both of which offer their own merits in terms of performance.

It is typically viewed that monotube dampers offer the best in performance. They tend to have the most damper oil capacity which reduces damper fade. It also uses a much larger piston which allows us to tune compression and rebound better. It also separates the damper oil from the nitrogen gas charge, eliminating any chance of aeration (mixing of oil and gas, creating bubbles; decreasing damping effectiveness).

In short, monotube dampers sound like the best all-around choice when it comes to performance. However, one area it lacks in is structural rigidity. On strut suspensions, the damper is integral to the knuckle assembly. So that means that the damper must take lateral loads (side forces).strut

 

In the drawing above, you can see how this side loading affects the damper. 1) when the tire exhibits lateral loading (in this case, pushing the bottom of the tire towards the center of the car), its tendency is to push the top of the tire outward, away from the car. 2) shows how the wheel/tire assembly wants to rotate due to the added torque from lateral loading. Because of that lateral loading, this places stress on the damper assembly (3).

By our design, we typically make the piston shafts of monotube dampers small in diameter, so that the damper has the highest possible fluid capacity. We could make it much thicker, but then the damper body would probably be much longer since the thicker piston rod, when compressed into the damper, will displace a lot of damper oil (meaning that we’ll need a larger volume for nitrogen gas).

But, to reduce the amount of side load stress on a smaller diameter piston rod for monotube dampers on strut type suspensions, we invert the damper assembly. In doing this, the damper assembly (body containing the oil and gas) sit at the top, and we make the shellcase (strut body) the bottom portion. Essentially, this makes the strut look like it has a massive piston shaft. But, this visually larger diameter can hold up well to the stress of lateral loading. We’ve been able to perfect that design very well, especially in our Group N. rally program.

However, there is always a way to improve.  Our new triple tube damper is the latest in strut type monotube technology. No longer do we need to invert the strut. Now, the monotube damper again sits inside the shellcase (lower portion of the damper assembly). However, in between the damper and shell case is another tube. This extra tube can be seen visually (actually looks the same as an inverted strut), and not only protects the damper assembly, but also increases the dampers’ ability to take the lateral loads without adding undue stress and friction under operation.

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With this triple tube design, we can now add another guide in which we can distribute lateral loads without affecting the complete damper body’s strength and also reduce friction which can affect damping force.

I took a few pics of a Mono Sport strut damper that our R&D guys were working on

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Here you can see the shellcase (black) against the damper (which is covered by the shiny outer tube).

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To remove the shiny outer tube from the damper, we remove the insert top (this insert top is what mounts to our pillowball mount, which also holds the damper click knob or EDFC stepping motor). You then have access to the piston rod of the damper. MNSA Inverted 007 (Custom)

The shiny outer tube has to be unscrewed from the bottom of the damper. Once removed, you have the complete monotube damper (our engineer reattached the insert top just as reference to show the top of the damper).

From there, it’s pretty much a standard fare monotube damper. However, the new Mono Sport coilovers have new features like Advanced Needle and Advance M.S.V. that separate it from the Mono Flex coilovers. The Advance Needle and Advance M.S.V. provide a broad range in damping force change over the 16 usable click settings, much more noticeable than its predecessor.

These new features stem from improvements we’ve made to our Gr. N dampers with F.R.S. A true testament in TEIN’s research and development in bringing racing technology to the street.

We’re definitely proud to bring the latest technology to the customer. We’re always looking to improve our product. After all, we are TEchnical INnovation!

 

 

Overhaul Season

What’s up, all?!! Just a friendly reminder that the winter season is the ideal season to submit your dampers to us for an overhaul.  To those who don’t know what an overhaul means, basically we freshen up the dampers to a like new condition.

The standard turnaround time is between three to five weeks. The repair time frame depends on the condition of the dampers.  Dampers with less damage are typically overhauled under two weeks. However,  repairs to severely damaged dampers can be prolonged up to five weeks.  Unfortunately, we cannot confirm a repair time frame, nor exact overhaul total until the dampers are inspected.

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Before you submit your dampers to us, make sure fill out our overhaul agreement form. Please visit the link provided below to obtain this form.

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Feel free to contact us should you have any other questions.

Overhaul Repair Cost Confusions

Recently it seems that many Overhaul customers whom have sent in their dampers for service have been under the assumption that the overhaul repair base price includes any other parts which may be needed or replaced. However, this is not correct.

As an example, I will use the Super Street coilover overhaul base price. The base cost for the repairs, which includes damper oil, seals, nitrogen gas recharge, o-rings, and overhaul labor is $75.00 per damper. This service does not include (should they be required) any other internal or external components such as piston rod, piston valve, bump stop, dust boot, etc.

The area highlighted in white and blue on all three images shown below detail this info.

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A few customers have claimed to have been told over the phone by a TEIN Staff that the total cost to repair one damper would be our listed base prices (ex. Super Street $75/ HA $80/ Type Flex $100) and would include extra parts, which is incorrect. These notes are also detailed on our overhaul agreement form which is the customer is to fill in and sign agreeing upon the terms of the service, and sent in with the dampers.

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We would just like to bring this to everyone’s attention as to try and avoid any future confusion as well as show everyone that we do express the possibililty of extra charges for the service on top of the standard overhaul service.

Coilover Mixing Headaches

Hey Everyone! Back again with some more tech tips which hopefully help out with you TEIN coilover systems.

Generally around this time of the year we receive many TEIN dampers sent in for our overhaul service. Most customers are looking to do a base repair and possibly consider some replacement parts for the dampers.

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However, some times the parts they are looking for may not exactly be a TEIN part. Some coilover kits we offer at times may not come with the pillowball uppermount as a feature desired and the customer decided to look elsewhere for a mount that they can adapt to the coilover system. Although some companies do claim that their pillow mounts would work with multiple manufacturers, the possiblilty of a misinstallation is still there, as you can see from the attached photos.

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Most pillow mounts offered utilize the following components:

1) A  design-specific lower collar or washer which the bottom of the mount would sit against on the damper piston shaft.

2) A collar or pillow nut (Pillow nuts commonly used on Macpherson strut type dampers) used above the mount to center and maintain the mount bearing to the piston shaft.

3) A top nut (Commonly used on Multi-link type dampers) to secure the mount to the piston shaft.

Even if used on the dampers it may not be the correct type/design for the piston shaft causing the mount to be loose creating noise during normal operation and/or odd wear to the the piston shaft surface which can eventually lead to a break on the shaft, or can even catastrophic internal damages due to a design flaw which would allow the component to bypass the bump stop and max out the damper stroke.

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All of these situations can definitely take a bit out of you wallet and give you a bad headache. With the details and photos shown, I do caution anyone who does consider mix-n-matching coilover system components. Make sure that fitment is solid, and check the fitment if any noises are heard And if multiple collars are required to properly mount, you may want to consider not using the mounts and whether going with another type or just sticking with the coilover manufacturers recommendations. It would save you time, money, and a bad headache.

The Return Of Counterfeit TEIN

Earlier this year I posted a blog about counterfeit TEIN products.  It looks like there may be more out there than what we thought. We recently  received another damper for a potential overhaul repair. After a closer look at the design we confirmed this damper was also a counterfeit. We contacted the damper’s owner and informed him that his coilover kit was a just a copy of ours.  The customer was shocked and disappointed to hear he purchased a counterfeit coilover system.

Looks pretty standard compared to a TEIN damper from the side.

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This view from the top shows the piston shaft looking down towards the ring nut. We don’t put a seal such as you see hear that states “Warranty VOID if seal broken”

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Although the black coating may look similar to our ZT coating, it is in fact just a black paint.

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Again, we highly recommend our customers to only purchase from TEIN authorized dealers. Avoid purchasing on eBay, as you may very well be the next victim to purchase a counterfeit coilover system. Please visit the link provided below to locate the nearest TEIN authorized dealer to you.

http://www.tein.com/dealer_list/index.html

 

New Damper Keychain!

Introducing the NEW DAMPER KEYCHAIN!.

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Here is a brief description of the keychain. There are no major differences between the  size of the current Damper Key Chain TN016-008 with the new model, as shown on the images below the major differences will be the color of the Shock Body, Upper Mount, Spring, and Seat Locks.

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This damper key chain also comes with the Adjust Wrenches so that the lower bracket and spring seats can be adjusted and locked to the drop height of your choice.

The part number of the new damper keychain is TN016-008-GB and would retail for $13, the same price as the original. This keychain can be purchased from any of our TEIN Authorized Dealers or through our Online Shop.

Below are some more images of the new damper keychain as well as older damper keychain for a better look at the two. Both will be sold side by side which would leave you with the ultimate question of which to choose from or an easier solution would be to pickup both keychains! The choice is yours!

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